Comments on: Pain Rustique & Our New Spiral Mixer https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/ The place for the ambitious home baker Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:03:02 +0000 hourly 1 By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-650786 Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:03:02 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-650786 In reply to gerardo navarra.

Thanks for the feedback Gerardo. Sounds very good, and we agree it is a very hefty sum…

Happy baking and kneading!

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By: gerardo navarra https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-650746 Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:58:02 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-650746 In reply to Weekend Bakers.

hello! after using the mixer almost 5 days a week, i have come to find that it is a great mixer for someone who wants a spiral mixer, with the new feature of the breaker bar on the hook i found that my dough only traveled up the hook once, it was because i was making a dough with 60% biga. overall i enjoy the mixer but not the price i paid for it, if it was 500$ less then it would be worth it. Happy baking!

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By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-650609 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:03:50 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-650609 In reply to Gerardo.

Hello Gerardo,
Yes, we have bought our mixer over 8 years ago (still going strong) and this post is of that age too.
Thank you so much for sharing this info, it sounds like something to look into and maybe ask the people of Haussler if the dough hook is available separately.

And yes, we would love to hear about your experience with the Alpha. Congrats and happy kneading and baking,

Ed & Marieke

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By: Gerardo https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-650607 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 06:17:59 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-650607 Hello! It has been quite a while since anyone commented, I just wanted to say the Häussler now introduced a small breaker bar on the dough hook which is supposed to stop it from climbing up, look into buy thag that new dough hook! I just bought the mixer but haven’t got it in the mail yet, will let u know how it does!

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By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-647019 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:36:46 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-647019 In reply to Snowman.

Hi Snowman,

Yes we are still using the Alpha and except for the mentioning of the dough sticking to the hook, the machine itself is still as beautiful and trustworthy as ever (so we would recommend looking for a mixer that has a standing knife in the bowl that cuts through the dough to avoid this ‘problem’. The quality of the machine is just excellent. Next to the alpha we also use a Bear Teddy for smaller dough quantities and we really like it too. We would recommend it for anyone who is considering buying a bigger KitchenAid for example and to at least look at this mixer before making a decision. We have not been looking at bigger mixers recently so we are not really up to speed with the best choice at the moment. We have heard not much favorable stories about Chinese brands and better ones about Italian mixers like from the brand Mecnosud for example. They also seem to be reasonably priced.
Good luck with your quest!

Ed & Marieke

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By: Snowman https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-646997 Wed, 16 Sep 2015 04:01:38 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-646997 I was searching for reviews on the alpha and found this page. I looked around and couldn’t find any newer posts about spiral mixers on your website. It looks like it has been over 3 years since the last comment and I’m wondering if you are still using the Alpha or if you are now using a different mixer. I see in an earlier comment you mentioned the KA10 but I guess Haussler doesn’t make that one anymore as I couldn’t find it on their website. The KA15 seems a little bigger then what I’m looking for. Also I’m looking around your site it looks like you have shared a lot of good information. Thank you for taking the time to do that.

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By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-22412 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:04:16 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-22412 In reply to gill flesher.

Hello Gill,
We did try that but the problem is the oil being absorb by the dough pretty quickly. Ed has now developed a ‘technique’ (sticking a long bread knife a little away from the spiral that acts as a cutting blade you also can find in some mixers) that is working very well at the moment. Development of the dough has improved even further that way. But it would be ideal to have this situation without holding on to something yourself of course.
With Rofco product do you mean the Rofco mixers? I am sorry to say we do not know much about them and also do not know people who own one. Ed only remembers the owner of Rofco telling they ‘make’ them themselves. About the ovens we know a LOT! But they do have an English speaking employee so you can fire some questions at them, maybe ask for a reference.

If you need to know anything more, just ask!

Happy (weekend) baking,

Marieke

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By: gill flesher https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-22359 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 13:15:36 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-22359 have you tried spraying your spiral mixer with oil to stop the dough sticking? I just wondered where the spiral mixer story ended. I am wondering about trading up to semi professional equipment, so interested to know. I haven’t done much research yet. Did you look at the Rofco product?
g

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By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-17797 Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:05:51 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-17797 In reply to Angelina.

Hallo Angelina,
Dankjewel! Laten we nu net hetzelfde zijn tegengekomen twee dagen geleden toen we naar heel iets anders op zoek waren, een ‘super-peel’. Dit schijfje zorgt er in ieder geval voor dat het deeg niet de machine in kan klimmen en wie weet helpt het inderdaad ook nog tegen het ‘hangen’.

Groetjes,

Ed & Marieke

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By: Angelina https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-17793 Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:07:10 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-17793 www.ketex.de/onlin...-p-83.html

Dit kwam ik tegen in een Duitse webshop. Zou dit jullie deeg-blijft-aan-de-haak-hangen-probleem bij de Haussler misschien verhelpen?

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By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-16951 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 18:00:38 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-16951 In reply to Martha Williams.

Thank you Martha, that sounds like an excellent tip! We have to try it and see if it works. The only thing that could happen is the oil from the hook being incorporated in the dough at some point maybe. Only one way to find out…

Have a great (baking) weekend,

Marieke

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By: Martha Williams https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-16910 Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:21:17 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-16910 In reply to Weekend Bakers.

Just wondering – if you sprayed the dough hook with vegetable spray prior to
kneading smaller amounts, and wetter dough, would it possibly lessen the problem of the
dough sticking to the hook?

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By: Bob https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-14625 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:06:43 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-14625 In reply to Weekend Bakers.

Thanks that helps quite an bit!

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By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-14488 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:48:01 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-14488 In reply to Bob Schroeder.

Yes Bob, we will try to explain. We have baked a lot of bread and made a lot of dough since purchasing the alpha. I have to say that during that time we have become more experienced and also more critical of what to look for in a mixer. The Alpha mixer was such a step up from the Kitchen Aid we were using before that.

Like we said in the comment above the Alpha mixer is beautifully made and very sturdy, nothing ever broken or anything and we have fine results with it, but it has one disadvantage and that is that certain doughs (esp. with wetter doughs) tend to stick to the hook. This problem is more prominent with smaller quantities of dough 500 -1,5 kg and not so much (or sometimes not at all) when making a full batch of about 4.5 kg in one go. We noticed that if we helped the dough by pressing it down now and then the dough became even better.
So if we had to buy a new mixer at this moment in time, we would not choose the Alpha again for this reason, because now we would be looking for the optimum mixer for the type of baking we do the most and ideally not having to help the smaller batches of dough stay down in the bowl to get the optimum knead.
Haussler has another type of mixer, the KA10, of maximum 10 kg capacity that is available with two speed and people claim it does not have this problem. But we have no first hand experience ourselves with this model. I believe it is only slightly more expensive.
If you want you can read more about this on the Hauessler website here: www.backdorf.de/index...?Meinungen (you may have to translate with google translate).

Hope this helps with your decision making process.
Good luck!

Ed and Marieke

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By: Bob Schroeder https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-14483 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:51:29 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-14483 Marieke – I noted your comment that you would not buy this model again. As I am looking to buy a mixer and was very impressed with the positive comments you initially had I was surprised to read this. Can you help me to understand your reasons for not getting this again? I was actually ready to buy one and was already trading notes with the office in Germany. Thanks.

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By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-13423 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:00:27 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-13423 Update:
The Alpha mixer is beautifully made and very sturdy and we have fine results with it, but!! it has one disadvantage and that is that with certain doughs (esp. with wetter doughs) they tend to stick to the hook. This problem is more prominent with smaller quantities of dough 500 -1,5 kg and not so much when making a full batch of about 4.5 kg in one go.

We have the one speed Alpha, there is also a two speed available. But if we had to buy a new mixer at this moment in time, we would not choose the Alpha again.

Haussler has another type of mixer, the KA10, of maximum 10 kg capacity that is available with two speed and people claim it does not have this problem.
You can read about it here: www.backdorf.de/index...?Meinungen (you may have to translate with google translate).

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By: Koen https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-7643 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:11:37 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-7643 Bete Ed en Marieke,

Dank voor de tips!!

Gr. Koen

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By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-7640 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:38:59 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-7640 In reply to Koen.

Van die thermometer ga je nog veel plezier hebben!
Wat betreft de deegtemperatuur is het natuurlijk ideaal als de ruimte zelf ook lekker warm is. Als het wat kouder is kun je ervoor zorgen dat je deeg initieel nog een paar graden warmer is door wat warmer water te gebruiken. Als je wat grotere hoeveelheden deeg maakt (en dat doe je met de Rofco en je nieuwe mixer zeker) heeft het deeg ook wel genoeg volume om warmte wat langer vast te houden. Met je thermometer kun je goed meten wat je deeg doet en zo leer je gaandeweg te optimaliseren. Als Rofco-eigenaar heb je het bijkomende voordeel dat de oven ook je ruimte bij-verwarmt. Bovendien kun je, als het wat kouder is, je deeg boven op je oven laten rijzen. Even een theedoek of iets dergelijks op de oven leggen en daar je bak met deeg, afgedekt, bovenop. Werkt perfect.
Succes!

Ed en Marieke

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By: Koen https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-7627 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:00:26 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-7627 Beste Ed en Marieke,

Dank voor jullie reactie. Ik heb inmiddels een offerte voor de spiraalkneder binnen.
De digitale thermometer heb ik inmiddels besteld bij amazon en is verzonden.

Ik heb nog een vraag over de deegtemperatuur. Ik begrijp dat je het zodanig moet zien te regelen dat je deeg een starttemperatuur heeft van 24 graden. Na het kneden zet je het deeg weg zodat het kan rijzen. Als je het deeg wegzet in een wat koudere ruimte dan 24 graden (en dat is volgens mij het geval in de meeste huiskamers en zeker in bijruimten) daalt de temperatuur van het deeg dan niet teveel gedurende het rijzen? Of geldt dat het deeg zichzelf op temperatuur houdt? Kortom: de vraag is nu niet meer hoe ik de juiste temperatuur krijg maar hoe ik deze behoud.

Gr. Koen.

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By: Weekend Bakers https://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/pain-rustique/comment-page-1/#comment-7617 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:58:34 +0000 http://www.trifles.nl/?p=1169#comment-7617 In reply to Koen.

Hallo Koen,
Spannend! We zijn heel benieuwd naar je ervaringen. Wij hebben ook om dezelfde praktische redenen voor de 1 snelheid gekozen. Die tweede snelheid is in termen van omwentelingen per minuut ook wel zeer snel en het rustigere kneden van de 1 snelheid past ook goed bij het type brood dat we maken. Het lijkt een goede balans tussen de high speed spiraalkneders en de langzame vorkkneders. Te langzaam kneden oxideert het deeg te veel (het wordt steeds witter en je krijgt smaakverlies). Te snel kneden verwarmt het deeg te veel door wrijving. (indicatie: voor gemiddelde glutenontwikkeling heb je 900 tot 1000 omwentelingen nodig).
Wij hebben geen rijskast. We zorgen voor de juiste temperatuur met behulp van het water dat je aan een recept toevoegt, zodat de uiteindelijke temperatuur van het deeg rond de 24 graden zit (een digitale thermometer is een fantastisch hulpmiddel hierbij). De temperatuur van de ruimte moet natuurlijk liefst ook optimaal zijn maar bij ons scheelt het nogal tussen zomer en winter. Dus dat regelen we dan door in de winter behoorlijk wat warmer water toe te voegen, zodat het deeg toch goed kan rijzen. Zie ook onze tips over dit onderwerp: www.weekendbakery.com/posts...mperature/
Hoop dat de KA snel komt!

Ed en Marieke

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